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JEAN SHEPHERD- A Christmas Story–interview bit

The following is just a small piece of the dialog/interview by Jay Douglas for his www.theoutofmymindblog.com dialog of Eugene B. Bergmann and Tom Lipscomb, publisher/editor of Shepherd and Leigh Brown and other important cultural activities. Listen to the complete 28 minute podcast.

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Eugene Bergmann: He was a mentor to many, many people because he engaged them in what seemed like an intellectual dialog and, of course, it was just an improvised monolog.

Tom Lipscomb: About what? Fishing? World politics? The nuclear bomb? What were the areas that a kid your age and where were you living at the time?

E B: I was living in Richmond Hill, Queens.

T.L. : So what specifically was it that you felt specifically that he was your guide into the world about:?

E. B.: Literally everything, which is saying almost nothing [laughs]. Literature. He would read occasionally from poetry. And even from Robert Service. He would talk about books, he would talk about films, he would talk about anything that crossed his mind. And that was the fascinating thing for me.

T. L.: Did he repeat these obsessions or were there new things coming up all the time that you weren’t aware of that he was introducing you to ?

E.B.: Mainly he improvised new stuff all the time. It was always something new and different. You never knew what he was gonna do.

This is just a small introductory segment. Much of the interview focuses on Shepherd’s creation of A CHRISTMAS STORY and the importance of Leigh Brown in his life–and their financial health regarding her insistence that they should pursue the BB gun story to create a film.

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JEAN SHEPHERD–A Christmas Story, the Madness of it

After more than 30 years, Mad Magazine has finally done a parody of A CHRISTMAS STORY. It’s in the February, 2019 issue. It’s the only copy of the magazine I’ve looked at for years. (I had the first issue of Mad Comics and I subscribed for decades–ever since I was a small tad.)

Their story consists of 6 full-color pages and is the issue’s opening feature, titled A LISTLESS STORY. I strongly suggest the the film is not “listless,” but that the word was a conveniently inappropriate pun on “Christmas.” On top of the first page, is a medallion stating: “SEEMED LIKE A FLOP.  WHO KNEW?”

The opening “narration” says,

I’m your narrator, Jean Shepherd! If you were born after 1965 you probably never heard of me, but I used to be very big on the radio. For you youngsters, “radio” was like a podcast that didn’t try to sell you a mattress.

The entire story is well-drawn, with many recognizable faces and scenes. Overall, though it hits a lot of salient bits and has some humor, I don’t like it as much as I should. Maybe I can’t take a joke. Maybe it’s in part that Mad uses the snarky line at the bottom of the illustration below:

“Of course those families don’t know that all the stories in this movie were originally published in Playboy, and the director is the guy who did Porky’s.

This suggests that Shepherd’s kid stories (in Playboy and elsewhere, including his broadcasts), are anything but the purest G-Rating. (We’re also aware that there are a couple of well-concealed/mostly-missed double entendres in A Christmas Story.) Even his army stories published in the magazine only contain a few lusty profanities familiar to every soldier and expected by Playboy readers. His army stories on the air and published elsewhere are also squeaky clean. Also, to damn the director because of a previous film’s content is to suggest that all a creator’s other works are automatically reprehensible and unworthy.

But I do recommend it to Shep/Christmas Story enthusiasts as part of their background references and for storing with the rest of their piles of Shepherd-related significant and somewhat less-than-significant memorabilia. Besides, it is amusing and artfully done. (My piles fill a good-sized wall of my study, from tall bookcases to ceiling.) I show the second half of the opening spread. I’d show more but I don’t want to be sued by mad publishers:

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I CHEAT BY SHOWING TWO OTHER SMALL FRAMES

(Cameos by Shep, Leigh, and Decoder Pin.)

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JEAN SHEPHERD–“A Christmas Shepherd”

Jay Douglas does a podcast cleverly titled, OUT OF MY MIND. He contacted me for an interview regarding Shepherd and A CHRISTMAS STORY. Its introduction and the entire audio can be seen/heard on:

https://www.theoutofmymindblog.com/episode-064-a-christmas-shepherd/#.XBlzY1VKiM_ 

Here’s the Shep photo used on the blog

Here’s part of the website’s intro to the episode:

The events leading up to A Christmas Story, are far more complex, and human, than can be dispatched in a few minutes. So, Out Of My Mind podcast host Jay Douglas traveled to Long Island to interview two men with intimate knowledge of Shepherd and his life —- author, blogger and Shepherd historian Eugene Bergmann, whose book Excelsior, You Fathead; The Art and Enigma of Jean Shepherd is the closest we’ll ever get to a look inside Shepherd the man and the artist; and Tom Lipscomb, media executive, publisher, writer, editor and playwright, who published a number of Jean Shepherd’s books.

Eugene and Tom sat down for a lively discussion of Shepherd, his art, his frustrations and his battle with his own ego over A Christmas Story.

It’s a Shepherd story you probably never he(a)rd.

The audio contains some information some Shepherd enthusiasts know, and, I expect, some information most of us weren’t aware of. I enjoyed being interviewed and I’m very pleased with the result. I hope others will enjoy it.

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JEAN SHEPHERD–A CHRISTMAS STORY interview parts not on Thedigitalbits.com

Here are the questions and answers regarding A CHRISTMAS STORY I gave that were not used on the digital bits site. The entire interview as posted for all 3 interviewees is at:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/columns/history-legacy-showmanship/christmas-story-35th

Where do you think the film ranks among Jean Shepherd’s body of work?

Because the film encapsulates many of Shepherd’s ideas and humor in a form that millions enjoy, it’s valuable. A Christmas Story is the most visible and popular work of Jean Shepherd. His most ardent enthusiasts consider it a very good piece, but not his best claim to fame and the appellation “genius.” That belongs to his decades of improvised monologs and story-telling on radio that influenced aspiring young intellectuals of New York and surrounding territory. Slyly funny on his broadcasts, he taught us to observe, think, and appreciate American culture and the immensely quirky and delightful humanity around us. We listeners are indebted to him for helping to make us more perceptive observers of our world. For example, Jerry Seinfeld, in his “Season 6” DVD sets of his television show, commented, “He really formed my entire comedic sensibility. I learned how to do comedy from Jean Shepherd.”

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Where do you think “A Christmas Story” ranks among Christmas-themed films?

I’m not good judge of how it ranks among Christmas-themed films because I’ve only seen tiny bits of a couple of the many recent ones—I suspect they’re no better than the average, mindless sitcom. I love A Christmas Story and I avoid the rest.

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What is the legacy of “A Christmas Story”?

The film’s popularity has resulted in a yearly-produced stage play in scores of towns, a musical Broadway production, many theme products, and the “A Christmas Story House” where parts of the film were made and where visitors can tour a recreation of the film house’s interior. There’s a popular book of reprinted A Christmas Story-related tales and a major behind-the-scenes, illustrated coffee-table book. Those are part of the legacy, but there’s also the importance of Shepherd as its creator.

For me the film’s legacy is that it may forever be by far the most prominently known vessel of Jean Shepherd’s world. As fine as it is, Shepherd deserves more recognition in America’s pantheon of creative forces. For those who care to hear his radio voice, one can find hundreds of complete broadcasts on the internet—free or cheaply for sale on ebay and elsewhere. Acquire them so that at night, when the cares of the world are shoved aside, relax, open your sensibilities, and absorb the unique and always unexpected commentary by ol’ Shep. (One never knows what quirky mix will ensue.) Maybe he’ll tell a story, maybe he’ll comment on the passing scene, maybe he’ll describe his trip to headhunter country of Peru’s Amazon when he helped deliver 500 pounds of Luden’s cough drops to the natives, or maybe he’ll expertly render a little ditty on nose flute, jew’s harp, or kazoo. Or maybe he’ll knock out a tune by thumping his knuckles on his head.

Long live Jean Shepherd and his A Christmas Story.

AND A HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL!

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JEAN SHEPHERD–A CHRISTMAS STORY interviews

Gang,

To celebrate the 35th anniversary of the theatrical opening of A CHRISTMAS STORY (USA and Canada, November 18, 1983), Michael Coate, Contributing Editor of www.thedigitalbits.com interviewed me and two others regarding our thoughts on the film. Interview is at:

http://www.digitalbits.com/columns/history-legacy-showmanship/christmas-story-35th

Here I post my partial answer to one of the questions. To see the entire interviews (which is my and other’s tributes to Jean Shepherd), see their site:

For me the film’s legacy is that it may forever be by far the most prominently known vessel of Jean Shepherd’s world. As fine as it is, Shepherd deserves more recognition in America’s pantheon of creative forces. For those who care to hear his radio voice, one can find hundreds of complete broadcasts on the internet—free or cheaply for sale on ebay and elsewhere. Acquire them so that at night, when the cares of the world are shoved aside, relax, open your sensibilities, and absorb the unique and always unexpected commentary by ol’ Shep. (One never knows what quirky mix will ensue.) Maybe he’ll tell a story, maybe he’ll comment on the passing scene, maybe he’ll describe his trip to headhunter country of Peru’s Amazon when he helped deliver 500 pounds of Luden’s cough drops to the natives, or maybe he’ll expertly render a little ditty on nose flute, jew’s harp, or kazoo. Or maybe he’ll knock out a tune by thumping his knuckles on his head.

 

Long live Jean Shepherd and his A Christmas Story.

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JEAN SHEPHERD Radio play

(Note that portions of this radio play and the forthcoming

theatrical, one-hour play contain some direct transcribed Shepherd quotes

as found in my EYF!)

 

I have a suspicion that these are the things that, if somehow we could clear the decks and admit once, to ourselves, we’re not going to do it, and throw all this stuff out, we’d be better off for it.  We ought to have a Dream Collection Day.  You know how they used to have rag collection days, and old metal collection days?  We ought to have a Dream Collection Day.  Where everybody takes the half-finished model airplane out of the basement, the half-finished novel, the cracked guitar, and puts it out in front of the house.  As a kind of public recanting, you see, for the salvage people to finally come and get. We’ll clean out all these poor, wonderful, idiotic, debilitating, defeating dreams.  What a magnificent idea!  Magnificent moment.

Me complaining?  Oh, Shepherd’s not complaining, not at all.  There is not one single word of complaint you’ll hear from me about life.  Not one.  I mean, I sit here looking at the raisins and I sit here looking at the dried apricots, I sit here looking at the vast, steaming, bubbling, hissing caldron, the fruitcake of life, and I realize—I realize I’ve hardly scratched the surface.  Maybe one day I’ll grab that brass merry-go-round ring—that Dream!

And then one day back in the ‘80s, I really did hit the jackpot.  After the jazz scene, the Playboy stories, the TV series, and all those other, lesser dreams, we made a movie that went all the way.  At least it did on cable TV.  Over fifty million people watch my movie every holiday season when it’s shown for twenty-four hours straight.  Oh, come on, you know!  A Christmas Story.  The one where the kid almost shoots his eye out with the BB gun.  The one where good old Santa kicks the kid in the face with his big black boot.  Hilarious.

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MEWWY CHWITHMUTH!

JEAN SHEPHERD–A Christmas Story again!

The 1983 movie is still, by far, my favorite, and I gather that most others feel the same. Here’s the opening part of the New York Times 12/18/17 review of the TV musical version shown 12/17/17:

From left, Maya Rudolph, Andy Walken, Tyler Wladis and Chris Diamantopoulos in Fox’s “A Christmas Story Live.” Credit Jordin Althaus/ FOX

Judging by last year’s “Grease” telecast and this year’s “A Christmas Story,” the Fox network seems to like everything about live television except the “live” part. A game cast, lively score and sturdy source material made Fox’s big holiday spectacular “A Christmas Story Live!” a pleasant enough way to pass a mid-December Sunday evening. But the presentation throughout was a letdown — like getting pink bunny pajamas for Christmas instead of a Red Ryder BB gun.

Director Bob Clark’s original 1983 movie followed a winding path toward becoming a yuletide staple. Based on the radio monologist Jean Shepherd’s stories of growing up in a small town outside Chicago in the 1930s, “A Christmas Story” disappeared from theaters quickly, only to find an audience on TV for its honest, funny take on how children process holiday stress.

I did enjoy the Broadway version when it opened on 11/19/2012. I think they did a good job:

Poster on the Side of the Lunt Fontanne Theatre

With Dan Lauria as Shepherd

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JEAN SHEPHERD–A CHRISTMAS STORY for Christmas

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The film, annotated, in part.

Years ago I wrote and submitted to a movie magazine, my overall description and commentary on that great American Christmas movie. But it was rejected, the editor said, because the mag had published a general article about the movie a few years before. Here’s a slightly-edited part of the introductory matter I wrote, plus a paragraph from the 2016 holiday issue of the magazine Vanity Fair.

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“Was there no end to this conspiracy of irrational prejudice against Red Ryder and his peacemaker?”

In case the reader doesn’t know, A Christmas Story (1983) is the movie about a kid who wants a BB gun for Christmas.  His mother, teacher, and even Santa Claus, tell him that he’ll shoot his eye out.  He (a cute kid with glasses), his kid brother (very whiny), his parents and friends, live in the steel mill town of Hohman (actually Hammond), Indiana.  Their world is just as we remember life used to be or feel it should have been.  Yet almost every incident in this sort of picturesque, just-like-it-should-be world, ends in disaster.  But then the kid gets the gun and the parents show mutual affection, so all imperfections convert to life as we dream of it. The End.

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NOSTALGIA (Jean Shepherd: “Get it out of your skull!”)

Although director Bob Clark once said that they worked hard to give A Christmas Story a recognizable sense of what many people would remember from their past, he did not suggest that the film was seriously meant to be an exercise in nostalgia.  Clark called it “an odd combination of reality and spoof and satire.”  That is not nostalgia.

Jean Shepherd, for all the humor and joy he expressed in his decades of nightly radio programs, had a negative view of life’s ultimate meaning, and often expressed an intense dislike of nostalgia.  From his earliest radio days he insisted that, despite evoking the past, his stories showed that the past was no better than the present.  On one radio program he put it this way: “My work, I think, is anti-sentimental, as a matter of fact.  If you really read it, you realize it’s a putdown of what most people think it stands for—it’s anti-nostalgic writing.”

A QUOTE FROM THE VANITY FAIR HOLIDAY ISSUE, 2016

Shepherd’s biographer [sic*] Eugene Bergmann points out that the line in the film that best describes Shepherd’s attitude toward life is when they’re getting ready for Christmas dinner and the Old Man is sitting in the living room reading the funny papers. “The viewer can see the Bumpuses’ hounds starting to trot past him, but he doesn’t see them, because the paper is blocking his view. And, of course, we know what’s going to happen—the hounds are going to get hold of that Christmas turkey.” So Shepherd says, in his voice-over narration, ‘Ah, life is like that. Sometimes at the height of our revelries, when our joy is at its zenith, when all is most right with the world, the most unthinkable disasters descend upon us.’”

*As I continually explain, my book is not and never was intended to be a “biography.” It’s a description and appreciation of his art.

With all of this, A Christmas Story is the funniest, most enjoyable, wittiest, clever and most satisfying film you’re ever likely to see yearly for twenty-four hours straight starting Christmas Eve.

Over fifty million people watch at least parts of it every year as it’s shown on Turner Cable television.  Some families, in their Christmas passion, have memorized the dialog and the narration, repeating them along with the film.  (Despite watching it yearly and remembering most details, my wife and I laugh unfailingly at the same places.) Most watch it yearly, filled with the teary-eyed nostalgia they bring to it, though most of them undoubtedly do not know what the film is meant to be about and that there is only the tiniest bit of authentic happy-days that I think was probably (through a producers’ arm-twisting of the script-writers) tagged onto the end.  The viewers’ ignorance is bliss.  Yet, they might increase their pleasure in this delightful creation by understanding more about the film, because knowledge and insight, as we know, is a very satisfying sort of adult bliss worth adding to one’s heretofore innocent enjoyment.  Viewers will come to understand why the kid nearly shoots his eye out.

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Let’s follow A Christmas Story

from its opening titles to its picture-postcard, sugarplum end.

Of course not enough people read opening titles, but in this case, it’s worth taking the trouble,

because who created the film and narrates the entire thing is of much relevance to what it’s all about.

OPENING TITLES

Probably a vast majority of viewers don’t know who Jean Shepherd is, despite the fact that,

prominent among the opening titles they would read the following four:

Metro-Goldwyn Mayer Presents

A film from the works of Jean Shepherd

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Ralphie as an adult

Jean Shepherd

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Based upon the Novel

In God We Trust

All Others Pay Cash

By Jean Shepherd

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Screenplay by

Jean Shepherd & Leigh Brown

& Bob Clark

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The title “Ralphie as an adult,” refers to Jean Shepherd doing the entire narration we enjoy so much.  He had previously used this narrative style in his 1970s television drama, “The Phantom of the Open Hearth,” and he described the style in his introduction to the published script of it, writing: “The Narrator is actually the voice of Ralph, grown up, but at the same time he is somehow mysteriously in communication with the viewer.”  Fans of the 1988-1993 sitcom, The Wonder Years may well recognize that form of narrative.  Shepherd, who, because of his use of it for A Christmas Story in 1983, had been considered for the narrator role in the sitcom, but had then been turned down, apparently because his adamant beliefs regarding his creative endeavors were considered too difficult to deal with.  Bitter for many years, he claimed that The Wonder Years producers had stolen from him not only his technique, but some plot lines.

For those unfamiliar with Jean Shepherd, note that he improvised his nightly radio program in the 1950s through early 1977, and that most of the film’s content was told by him on his shows in the early 1960s without a script.  Then he wrote down the stories and they were published in Playboy, then in his books In God We Trust, All Others Pay Cash and Wanda Hickey’ Night of Golden Memories and Other Disasters.  Shepherd, a major jazz personality in the late 1950s, is also known for his other films, several television series he created, as well as for hundreds of live performances around the country for decades, and for perpetrating one of the great literary hoaxes of all time: the I, Libertine affair. (You can look it up.)

Merry Christmas to all,

and may none of you ever

(even metaphorically)

shoot your eye out.

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JEAN SHEPHERD–Shep Promotion Part 2 of 2

 

Here are ways that I have promoted my work regarding Shep:

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•Interviews: on Internet, radio, one on TV, and Paley Center appearance.

•Responded to reader comments on Internet sites referring to Shep.

•Authored several articles about Shep in print publications.

•Appearance and talk at Hammond’s ACS festival.

•Contributed paragraph about Shep for Hammond’s ACS brochure.

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•Discussion on two panels at the Old Time Radio Convention          

(Thanks again to Jackie Lannin for the Excelsior banner).

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•Two talks at public libraries.

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•References on my blog, www.shepquest.wordpress.com .

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•My occasional comments regarding some Customer Reviews

on  www.amazon.com and my “Author Page”on that site.

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•In all nine CD sets of Syndicated Shep,

my text about the audios and info about EYF!

(Shep book info layout by Radio Spirits).

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•My Shepherd play, “Excelsior,” (2 performances!)

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•My EYF! pin worn on very rare occasions.

(I designed it with my computer drawing program, printed it,

and took it to a pin-maker at the mall.

It’s 3.5″ diameter so ya can’t miss it!)

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•The sweatshirt I designed and occasionally wear.

(Photo taken  in front of my Shep Shrine wall in my study.

Note Shep-poster, excelsior bottles,

Shep drawings on paper towel, etc.)

          •As always, I thank Jim Clavin for his constant promotion

of my work on his site, www.flicklives.com

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